The Svietlana has 25mm side plating, so IFHE helps with that, but the citadel armor on all of these cruisers is too tough for IFHE; St Louis, Phoenix, Svietlana, Caledon, and Danae. There are only 2 CLs that have citadel belt armor that IFHE will help the main guns with and they are; Tenryu has 63mm citadel belt armor (6mm fore and aft) and Karlsruhe has 60mm of belt armor (10mm plating). All Discussions ... IFHE is being renamed to "Threshing". You can consider this as "cheat sheet" for British battleship HE. Friesland Ifhe yes or not ? https://worldofwarships.com/en/content/captains-skills/?skills=1,8,12,18,20,23,25,28&ship=Destroyer. See also: Damage Saturationfor an in-depth explanation. It's good to know what your pen benchmarks are moving forward. WoWS Stats & Numbers - best online tool for stats browsing and progress tracking for World of Warships. Without IFHE, 130mm guns can pen 21mm of armor. 100mm IJN guns, primaries and secondaries can pen 24mm of armor without IFHE. Say I'm a 203 Mogami; does a higher pen value with IFHE mean my HE rounds travel further inside a Bismarck's superstructure, penning more compartments … 2. Also of note, the Karlsruhe HE shell has .01 ' Projectile detonator' vs .001 for other HE shells. Yes, rounding would make a difference. This is because the Karlsruhe follows the 1/4 HE pen rule.. 25mm times 1.3 is 32.5, which would in the first step, be rounded down. 130mm gun divided by 6 is 21.667mm. It may appear in the future. Take the caliber, divide by 6 to get your pen without HE. I've been playing Tallinn the past few days and I struggle to do significant damage with it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------. I was doing the same thing until I took a closer look at the wiki and saw the rounding on the regular HE pen. You need to play a total of 20 battles to post in this section. World of Warships. A lot of BBs get 25mm plate in the mid tiers, so IFHE, which pens 32mm of armor for a 150-152mm, is helpful then. Having said that this table may give people an idea if the skill is of value to them. So you don't need IFHE vs DDs, but IFHE on Kiev comes in handy vs cruisers and T6 & T7 BB bows. For Germans you need 128mm. 127mm guns can pen 20mm of armor without IFHE. The 130mm guns on the Bogatyr pen 20mm of armor without IFHE and pen 27mm of armor with IFHE. The 150mm to 152mm shells can pen 24mm of plate. That is slightly incorrect. ST, IFHE changes. Check the system settings for your microphone and lower its volume if necessary. My Tickets My Bans All articles Voice Chat: Settings and Troubleshooting. There is only duplication now. To pen high tier BB Bow armor, 32mm, you need a minimum caliber of 192mm with all but German. 3. Orion has 102mm secondaries and 343mm main guns. ; 2020-06-11 Ship Comparison added for testing. ex. I omitted details yes, but never quoted "65mm" however, the concept does still remain. Menu. When I tried her while I was a pumpkin I leveraged fire chance, RoF and radio location to obliterate a kleber in the opening minutes with some sneaky use of smoke to poke out and spot/shoot when they were out in the open a couple times. JediMasterDraco, August 7, 2018 in General Game Discussion. So for ships seeing armor of 32mm, IFHE is helpful for 180mm guns. (Yes, sometimes your method reveals the right number, but can mess up the IFHE number if you do not round properly.). Everything else can be penned in the belt without IFHE. That rounding can make a difference over just multiplying by the 1/6 or 1/4 by 1.3. 4. The Umikaze has 25mm of side plating, so IFHE helps with 1 DD in the T2-T4 range. The rest can be penned without IFHE. Search. I figured I'd toss out a bit of a challenge for the wiki crew if they have the time: On the page detailing HE penetration, maybe you guys could include a chart that lists the extremity armor for ships at that tier and give size requirements (without and with IFHE) that would be required to penetrate it. I will say they do feel a bit more comfortable than HIpper/Eugen because you have four more guns. With IFHE, 130mm guns can pen 27mm of armor. 25mm x 6 is 150mm, so my 152mm HE will not pen 25mm unless I use IFHE - makes the decision a bit more black and white. 30mm times 1.3 is 39mm, so 180mm IFHE can pen 38mm of armor. Some folks run it on Blys because it gets HE pen up to 25mm, useful against cruisers at the tiers it sees, putting it on Friesland will do the same because its the same gun caliber. I already made two charts in official forum. Now I want to test reddit's syntax to combine them into single chart. If the number has a remainder, then it pens the rounded down armor. I think there might be some cruisers with belts less than 91mm, but hitting them with AP would be better IMO. I have some concerns about the HE penetration change for 0.9.2 among DDs. It has me at #1 on NA for damage and #3 for PR in the ship. IFHE will reduce the firechance by half, increase the HE penetration by 25%, BUT now your HE pen doesn't have … HE rounds will shatter on armor this thick or thicker. Round the .167 down to result in 21mm. YMMV. German 203mm guns on T8+ cruisers can pen 49mm of armor without IFHE. Here is the wiki to the HE pen and how IFHE is calculated. Note that as per update 0.9.2 IFHE now halves the BASE fire chance of shells. So your Hindy example is technically correct, but by accident. A ship has to be both a military base and a combat vehicle, since it is designed for long autonomous operations. Yep, that is why I multiplied by 1.3 for the +30%. Feel free to opt in or out. By What you guys recommend for captain build, https://worldofwarships.com/en/content/captains-skills/?skills=1,8,12,18,20,23,25,28&ship=Destroyer. 50mm? The Kawachi, Myogi, South Carolina and Nassau all have 25mm of deck plating, so IFHE will help with that. IFHE is needed to penetrate 32mm plating but wont be enough to pen 38mm plating which are present on USN BBs. Use mouse for tips, there are some. So I investigated and found this. The Umikaze has 25mm of side plating, so IFHE helps with 1 DD in the T2-T4 range. 25mm? You need to play a total of 20 battles to post in this section. None of the rest of the DDs can withstand 130mm HE. I am also aware that a few ship are missing. Thank you, that's right. Why are other players hearing me as too loud or distorted? Contact EdibleBug on Reddit for service related issues. This is the build I recommend for Friesland. Well WG gave us a look at the upcoming IFHE changes and.....oh boy This change should make IFHE more viable on DDs and reduce its excessive performance on some cruisers. 22mm times 1.3 is 28.6mm, so 130mm IFHE pens 28mm of armor. Currently I'm in a bit of a pickle. My build is PT, LS, SE, SI, BFT, DE, CE, but even CE isn't that vital, I try to cap in it usually because the cappers of the game like Gearing's, Shima's and Z52's always go wide and are useless. The penalty to firing chance changes with caliber now. Your microphone volume may be boosted or turned up to the maximum. Which is why the 203mm guns from the Hindy can pen 50mm of armor - 203/4=50.75. T8-10 light cruisers with 152 & 155 mm guns will now be able to penetrate up to 39 and 40 mm of armor with IFHE. Here is how it looks like for Worcester (GREEN - penetrate without IFHE, ORANGE - with IFHE, RED - does not penetrate with IFHE): Yeah you really don't need IFHE on Yorck, DE if anything. Do not round this number. Without IFHE, the 102mm guns can pen 16mm of armor and the main guns can pen 56mm of armor. Commander Skills World of Warships - full descriptions for the WoWS commander skills, play the free multiplayer pc game about battleships with your friends WoWS 0.10.0.0. The significance of the armor values mentioned are as follows: 19mm - (High tier DD armor and most ship's superstructure armor), 25mm - (Mid tier Cruiser bow armor) 27 - (high tier Cruiser bow armor and mid tier to tier 8 BB bow armor) 32mm - (High tier BB armor) 50mm - (Khaba side armor, Yammy deck armor and Moskva bow armor). Round the .667 up to result in 22mm. German 203mm guns on T8+ cruisers can pen 64mm of armor, so can cross that 50mm threshold. All of these CL/CAs have thick enough citadel belt armor that IFHE still won't penetrate with the main guns, Furutaka, St Louis, Phoenix, Marblehead, Omaha, Murmansk, Svietlana, Krasny Krym, Caledon, Danae and Emerald. AFT and CE seem more useful for 4 point skills. Now, since the Orion secondaries have a 3.5km range (4.2km with AFT), I don't think it would be worth it to put IFHE on the Orion, but YMMV. The value for each caliber appears in the chart below. http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Gunnery_%26_Armor_Penetration#HE_penetration. German 210mm guns on the Yorck can pen 51mm of armor without IFHE. 50.75mm times 1.3 is 65.975mm, so by your method it would pen 65mm which is wrong. Leaderboards, ships statistics and configurations, … ex. The 180mm shells can pen 29mm of armor, but IFHE can give 38mm of pen. Here is my build. ex. When the new skill tree was released, we made lots of effort so this is clear. The armor on T3-T5 DDs is mostly 6mm to 15mm thick, so IFHE isn't needed for most DDs. WoWS Stats & Numbers - best online tool for stats browsing and progress tracking for World of Warships. 1) The guns don't really benefit from the extra pen. 203mm guns can pen 32mm of armor without IFHE. HE shells are potent and can penetrate same tier cruiser's. 32mm? Commander Skills World of Warships - full descriptions for the WoWS commander skills, play the free multiplayer pc game about battleships with your friends IFHE is tempting, but a 12% reduction to a Buddy's base detect range of 13.4 km would get me down to 11.8, which seems huge. (or anything with an exposed citadel) Excellent damage for HE, it wasn't nearly as strong as AP cits but was funny nonetheless because....."Oh he's just firing HE, I don't need to turn" The Mikasa, Kawachi, Myogi, Ishizuchi, South Carolina, Wyoming, Nikolai I, Kaiser, Bellerophon, Orion, Turenne, and Courbet all can be penned fore and aft without IFHE. The IFHE skill. I'm thinking the following as these match the numbers in the chart Turbo07 provided for the armor values for those locations on the DM. With IFHE IJN 100mm guns can pen 32mm of armor. 127mm HE shatters on 22mm or more of armor and pens 21mm or below. Good ship for starting fires and murdering lolibotes. HE. Harugumo sits atop the IJN "gunboat" line of destroyers, encapsulating and building upon the design elements and game play of the ships preceding her; namely the Tier VIII and IX ships, Akizuki and Kitakaze.Armed with ten 100 mm rifles and a single sextuplet torpedo launcher, she is a ship of absolutes; she has the highest base hit points of all Tier X destroyers, … Now I want to test reddit's syntax to combine them into single chart. Round up if it is above .5. If this change applies to all HE shells, all 127mm guns will be able to penetrate 21mm plating, which is found on the central part of Gearing. Friesland will see some cruisers with more than 25mm bow/deck armor, so IFHE wont help with them, but it will still pen the bulk of what it faces. Player Support. The Okhotnik and T-22 have 16mm of side armor (less fore and aft) so IFHE will help with those two. Epic battles rage across the oceans of the world in order to claim victory among teams comprised of the greatest representatives from the era of multi-ton marine giants. Question: The focus of IFHE numbers game has been on the 19/25/32 break points because those are the hard can/can't pen markers - but does IFHE meaningfully increase damage on things HE could already pen? 19mm? The 283mm guns on the Graf Spee's and the Scharnhorst can pen 69mm of armor without IFHE. 2021-01-24 0.10.0.0 commander skills are updated. So you don't need IFHE vs DDs, but IFHE on Kiev comes in handy vs cruisers and T6 & T7 BB bows.----- The 130mm guns on the Bogatyr pen 20mm of armor without IFHE and pen 27mm of armor with IFHE. Here are ones I have looked up recently. Before I start I must credit the creation to a fellow named Iku_19 from the WOWS subreddit for the creation of this table. It would be wrong for IFHE though. I didnt put IFHE on my Blys captain, but am considering it. Anyone can edit the wiki, so if you want you can have a shot at it. Idk if this means anything. So to go over the rules here, most ships follow the 1/6 rule for HE pen. Round the .167 down to result in 21mm. They are all not detailed, but I did check the MM spread for these first ones. German cruisers tier 4+ as well as the newly buffed Japanese 100mm guns follow a 1/4 rule. Friesland will see some cruisers with more than 25mm  bow/deck armor, so IFHE wont help with them, but it will still pen the bulk of what it faces. I don't find it's necessary. Then check the MM spread to see if you need IFHE or if it is a toss up depending on what you can pen. For BBs, it'll only cost 2 skill points, for DDs it'll cost 3, for Cruisers it'll remain 4. 27mm? Also of note, the Karlsruhe HE shell has .01 ' Projectile detonator' vs .001 for other HE shells. The main guns don't have a difference on BB armor with or without IFHE as the armor is either under 56mm or over 73mm. World of Warships World of Warships is a naval action MMO, dipping into the world of large-scale sea battles of the first half of the twentieth century. DDs and Cruisers get a new skill, Torpedoman, that costs 1 point and increases flooding chance by30%. What you guys recommend for captain build, thanks. The Kaiser has 25mm of Torpedo bulges, so IFHE will help with that. With IFHE 150mm German T4+ cruiser guns can pen 48mm of armor. The_Netrider, November 17, 2019 in Destroyers, Friesland Ifhe yes or not ? The 155mm shells can pen 25mm of armor, but IFHE gives them 33mm of pen, so it is helpful when seeing 32mm of armor at the higher tiers. Calculate the HE pen and IFHE pen. However, long ago I tested IFHE on Scharnhorst and got citadels on Omaha and other light cruisers. 21mm times 1.3 is 27.3mm, so 127 IFHE pens 27mm of armor. To penetrate 50mm (the side of a khaba or Yammy deck armor) you need to be the Hindy, or the Henri IV with IFHE. World of Warships. Everyone complains about T5, but why does no one complain about T2? Kiev has 130mm guns. From my point of view it would be easier to find info here http://proships.ru/stat/na/ships for every ship. World of Warships- German Battleship Guide. @[email protected] what do you think? The usual jump is from 32mm to 50mm, so IFHE doesn't help regular 203mm guns much at all. 2) Friesland is all about that DOT, so losing fire chance no good. With IFHE 203mm guns can pen 42mm of armor. 152mm gun divided by 6 is 25.33mm. Further, adding 30% to something is the same as multiplying it by 1.3. http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Gunnery_%26_Armor_Penetration#HE_penetration. Here are the rules per the wiki HE pen. 2020-04-18 Ads added, disabled by default. Karl also has slightly higher HE alpha than Konigsberg. Very nice video. With IFHE, 130mm guns can pen 27mm of armor. So 51mm shatters HE, but pens 50mm or below. Personally, I just throw my Blyskawica captain into my Friesland. The resulting figure is the shatter threshold. 150mm German T4+ cruiser guns can pen 36mm of armor without IFHE. With IFHE those 283mm guns can pen 91mm of armor. I've been running IFHE on mine and it's nothing impressive. On Scharnhorst, IFHE is a waste of a skill. Just that by the method you were using, it would come out to the wrong value. Like most DDs, doesn't get enough out of IFHE to be worth the investment in my book. Therefore a significant portion of the ship's interior space is needed for the every-day activities, but has no direct effect … It is set to -1% for light calibers up to 139 mm, and to -8% for the rest. July 15, 2020 WoWs Videos 27:28. Poor Karlsruhe needs range buff though to be any fun for me. With IFHE 127mm guns can pen 27mm of armor. IFHE on the 102mm secondary guns can pen the fore and aft of the Myogi, Ishizuchi, Kongos, Wyoming, Texas, New York, Nikolai I, Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya, Kaiser, Konig, Orion, Iron Duke, Courbet, Bretagne, and Giulio Cesare. Round the .667 up to result in 22mm. You can multiply those numbers by 6 or 4 depending on your ship so see what caliber is needed to pen, if your guns are just shy, add IFHE. What armor values do you want to pen? 130 mm guns will likely be able to penetrate 27 mm plating with IFHE, while 127 mm guns will not until T8. I never said that you quoted 65mm. Looking at this, I'm not so sure that IFHE is all that great for Bogatyr, until you have a 14+pt captain, if then. ex. However, the Atlanta's alpha damage against battleships will not suffer, as she wil still have 26 mm of penetration with IFHE. I'm currently trying to determine what ships it is worth taking IFHE on and which it is not. The longer delay between contact and detonation means it can pen more. But the IFHE step does not round, so 152mm IFHE pens 32mm of armor. In case the change is adopted, IFHE is automatically reset for 4 skill points. Armor less thick will be penned. For IFHE, take the rounded shatter number and multiple by 1.3. ; 2020-04-30 Google Ad enabled by default while making adjustment. All copyright materials provided by Wargaming.net are owned by Wargaming.net. 130mm gun divided by 6 is 21.667mm. They get radio messages to plot on a chart table, not computer generated virtual reality images put on Bridge view ports to see out of the smoke or though the island as if they see target themselves. Not a perfect captain, but it's OK for now. 127mm gun divided by 6 is 21.167mm. Feel free to opt in or out. Chapayev has a 1/5th calculation (Present on T8-T10 cruisers with caliber of 152mm-155mm), Donskoi's and Nevsky's has a 1/6th calculation which grants it 30mm penetration. Is there a language switch button on that site?? T5 can be top tier over T4s, but T2 only sees same tier or is bottom tier. :). Click on a ship for fitting. ex. Round the resulting figure down if it is .5 or below. I didnt put IFHE on my Blys captain, but am considering it. P.S. Idk if this means anything. A forum user claimed they saw a reddit post about cruiser plating and IFHE change but later deleted. From there you can add 30% to find your new pen with IFHE. To decide whether or not to use IFHE, it might be better to work backwards. The Yorck's 210mm guns with IFHE can pen 67mm of armor. 127mm HE shatters on 21mm or more of armor and pens 20mm or below. With IFHE, the 102mm guns can pen 21mm of armor and the main guns can pen 73mm of armor. 203mm divided by 4 is 50.75mm, rounded to 51mm. Much work needed to design that. Here is the MM spread for a ship in a particular tier. Luckily, she plays quite similarly to the previous ships in the French battleship line, so lessons learned in the previous ships will be useful with République.She is primarily a "flanker", relying on her mobility and good accuracy to punish enemy broadsides from unexpected … Basically, look at the gun(s) you want to see if IFHE can help with. It feels like you don't have the punch of 203s, but you've got their shitty long reload. ex 180mm gun divide by 6 is 30mm, so it can pen 29mm of armor. SAP shells: often have a higher maximum damage than the gun's AP; ... A thorough understanding of armor penetration mechanics in World of Warships is recommended to help you select the best ammunition for the situation. I mentioned it countless times on streams and Q&As, this was included in release article about skills, but still, many players don't realize the best and the worst uses. However if you don't cap then you can get away with using AFT instead of CE. ; 2020-08-06 New flags will be added later. I normally only use IFHE for ships that have guns close to 150s, so normally I avoid it on DDs. Which is why I find it easier to work "backwards" from the target armor thickness than work from the shell caliber and divide. 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